Donna Schaper is senior minister of Judson Memorial Church in New York City. She began this post in 2005, after positions at Coral Gables Congregational Church in Miami and, before that, Yale University.

In this episode, Donna and Matt talk about how her left-leaning faith was formed by her childhood in the Lutheran Church—Missouri Synod, the unique challenges of preaching in New York City, and instances when a pastoral care matter makes it straight into a sermon.

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