Neil Ellingson is the Preachers on Preaching editor and co-founder of Root and Branch Church in Chicago. Matt Fitzgerald is the Preachers on Preaching host and pastor of Saint Pauls United Church of Christ in Chicago.    

In this episode, Neil interviews Matt. They talk about the reasons Matt started the podcast and what he's learned so far, his own self-contradictory preaching approach, and how grace might come inside rising soap bubbles.