Episode 23: Julian DeShazier

Julian DeShazier is pastor at University Church in Chicago and a hip-hop emcee who goes by J.Kwest.

In this episode, Matt talks to Julian about the pull between his identity as an artist and his call to the pulpit, the church that welcomed his musical gifts when he was a teenager, and how today's clergy are more like school custodians than principals.

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